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Autor: Betreff: Brauwasser (Water Profile) Classic Rauchbier Wamser Junior Member Beiträge: 34 Registriert: 15.2.2010 Status: Offline erstellt am: 8.4.2011 um 15:59   HI... I was disappeared because born my second son! Now, I return to participate. Well, I look for information about water profile for the BJCP "22 Classic Rauchbier. Can anyone indicate some text to read about water and this German Style? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The recipe Batch Size: 20,00 L Brewhouse Efficiency: 75% Bitterness: 30,4 IBU Est Color: 19,3 SRM Alcohol by Vol: 5,08 % Malts 1,30 kg ( 29,55 %) Smoked Malt (Weyermann) (2,3 SRM) 1,30 kg ( 29,55 %) Pilsen (1,8 SRM) 1,00 kg ( 22,73 %) Munich I (Weyermann) (7,1 SRM) 0,40 kg ( 9,09 % ) Caramunich I (Weyermann) (45,7 SRM) 0,30 kg ( 6,82 % ) Melanoidin (Weyermann) (35,5 SRM) 0,10 kg ( 2,27 % ) Carafa Special II (Weyermann) (583,8 SRM) Hops 5,00 gm Pearle [8,00 %] (75 min) Hops 4,7 IBU 12,00 gm Tradition [6,00 %] (75 min)Hops 8,5 IBU 12,00 gm Tradition [6,00 %] (50 min)Hops 7,8 IBU 10,00 gm Hallertauer Hersbrucker [4,00 %] (50 min) Hops 4,3 IBU 8,00 gm Tettnang [4,50 %] (30 min) Hops 3,1 IBU 10,00 gm Tettnang [4,50 %] (10 min)Hops1,9 IBU Yeats; WLP 830 0,20 gr Servomyces 20 min Protein Rest 50 C 45 minSaccharification 67,8 C Mash out 75,6 C My inspiration for the selection of malts; http://www.hausgebraut.de/index.php?page=/Artikel/-Bamberge r-Rauchbier-1-Platz-HHBT-2009_57 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Is a good recipe? Thanks for your help!!!! Wamser Berliner Moderator Beiträge: 4024 Registriert: 7.4.2006 Status: Offline erstellt am: 8.4.2011 um 17:41   Should be a good recipe cause it won the gold medal in Bamberg. I wouldn't add Caramunich and Melanoidin malt, I think one of them is enough. The hop schedule is quite complex. Normally, the traditional Rauchbier is not a hoppy beer, and a single hop addition should already do the trick. Your hopping looks more like a smoked IPA. ____________________ Gruß vom Berliner Antwort 1 Wamser Junior Member Beiträge: 34 Registriert: 15.2.2010 Status: Offline erstellt am: 8.4.2011 um 17:57   Zitat von Berliner, am 8.4.2011 um 17:41 I wouldn't add Caramunich and Melanoidin malt, I think one of them is enough. The hop schedule is quite complex. Normally, the traditional Rauchbier is not a hoppy beer, and a single hop addition should already do the trick. Your hopping looks more like a smoked IPA. OK...I'm learning ans studing about this style. I'll change this recipe and send to discussion forum and about the water? hard, Alkalinity, Gypsum, Magnesium... Recommended mineral ranges for a nice Rauchbier...? Antwort 2 Wamser Junior Member Beiträge: 34 Registriert: 15.2.2010 Status: Offline erstellt am: 8.4.2011 um 21:10   Hi Friends... I'm all day looking for information about the water needed to make a nice Rauchbier... the profile of the water local; PH: 6.4 Calcium: 4.7 ppm Sulfate, 0.0 ppm Magnesium: 1.3 ppm Chloride: 1.0 ppm Sodium: 5.8 ppm Bicarbonate: 38.0 ppm Using the EZ Water Calculator Spreadsheet 2.0 Configured to; Mash Water = 2.8 gallons Water sparge = 4 gallons Total Grain = 7.74 Lb Crystal Grain = 1.54 Lb Roasted Grain =, 22 Lb Beer Color = 19.3 (SRM) Adjustments were; a) Additions Mash (grams): Calc. Chloride (CaCl2) = 1 gr b) Sparge Additions (add to boil): Gypsum = 1 gr Calc. Chloride = 1gr Epsom Salt = 0,5 gr Baking Soda = 0,5 gr Chalk = 0,5 gr Results; Calcium = 43 Magnesium = 3 Sodium = 11 Chloride = 39 Sulfate = 29 Alkalinity (CaCO3) = 31 ESTIMATED Mash pH = 5,2 Am I on the right track? Antwort 3 Wildey Posting Freak Beiträge: 835 Registriert: 5.3.2009 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 8.4.2011 um 22:22   Hallo Wamser, for Your "classic Rauchbier" You need only smoked malt and water.If You use Weyermann malt,take 80% of it.It´s a lower smoked malt. I prefer steinbach.de smoked malt-it´s stronger,so You need 50% for a good Rauchbier. Don´t worry about Your water,brew! Hops i would use 50g-70g/6-7% alpha/30 Liter..... And use additional a dark malt,maybe for 30 Liters - 5000g RM+800g Melanoidin+200g Carafa special II-could be a good mixture.... ____________________ die Dinge sind so,wie man Sie sieht... Antwort 4 Holger-Pohl Posting Freak Beiträge: 2920 Registriert: 1.3.2003 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 8.4.2011 um 22:22   I think, Smoked Beer, doesn´t need any special water. In my opinion you should try it. Maybe you can use some CaO to prepare your water and don´t use too much hops. it is able to "kill" your smokey beer. If you need another recipe to compare, send a private message or look in the past topics, there I published a dark beer with lots of smoke. Many greedings. Holger ____________________ Antwort 5