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Autor: Betreff: Bester Ort, um einzukaufen? Hilfe ein Amerikaner! TKOriginal Newbie Beiträge: 7 Registriert: 24.6.2012 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 14:57   Hallo. Ich spreche nicht gut Deutsch, daher bin ich mit Google übersetzen, dies zu schreiben. Bitte entschuldigen Sie meine schlechte Grammatik. Ich habe vor kurzem nach Deutschland gezogen und bin ein begeisterter Heimbrauer. Ich weiß nicht, wo ingrediants zu kaufen. Ich habe die Links zu den Geschäften auf dieser Website gesehen, aber was sind die beliebteste? Hobbybrauershop, Genuess Reich, Hopfen und mehr, oder ein anderes Geschäft? Gibt es irgendwelche Läden der Nähe von Nürnberg, die ich zu gehen oder in Online-Kauf ist die beste Option kann? Vielen Dank für Ihre Hilfe. Cheers! TKO Hello. I don't speak German well, so i am using Google translate to write this. Please excuse my poor grammar. I have recently moved to Germany and am an avid home brewer. I don't know where to buy ingrediants. I have seen the links to stores on this website, but which are the most popular? Hobbybrauershop, Genuess Reich, Hopfen und mehr, or another store? Are there any stores near Nurnberg that i can go into or is buying online the best option? Thank you for your help. Cheers! Birk Posting Freak Beiträge: 3313 Registriert: 19.10.2011 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 15:09   From one American to another welcome. Don't use google translate, just type in German how you know and you will be fine, most folks understand AND it is a good learning expierience. I am using this forum to develop my German skills and over the last few months I have noticed an improvment, so use this forum to help you with that. Not many shops around, we do group purchasing often, however the Hofen und Mehr, we call it HuM is your best bet. I do however suggest you ask many questions here in the forum as you will get, fast, honest and helpful advice. Before you buy something ask here, chances are some know where to find it cheaper or better. [Editiert am 24.6.2012 um 15:15 von Birk] ____________________ http://www.AmiHopfen.com Hopfen vom Ami, aus Amiland und anderswo Antwort 1 kvendlar Posting Freak Beiträge: 972 Registriert: 18.4.2012 Status: Offline erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 16:14   Hello and welcome to the forum! It's great ot see some Americans join - i only recently started and joined here myself, but I agree to Birk's statement that help get's here very fast. The two shops I have ordered from thus far are 'Hopfen und mehr' and 'Hopfen der Welt'; I was very satisfied with both of them. Do you have equipment or want to start anew? Best, kvendlar Antwort 2 TrashHunter Posting Freak Beiträge: 5714 Registriert: 16.8.2011 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 16:18   I agree, shop of my first choice is HuM. For special items, before buying them out of the blue, first ask here in. This boards members are from every possible profession and a lot of them know someone who knows someone who trades the requiered items at best prices. And finaly, the members of that board often join for concerned buying, dumping prices to lowest level possible. Welcome in Germany TKO, welcome to our board. As a craft-brewer in Germany you could not find a better place than that. [Editiert am 24.6.2012 um 16:19 von TrashHunter] ____________________ Botschafter der WBBBB in Hessen Brauen ist die wahre Alchemie Hobbybrauer. TrashHunters Leitfaden für Einsteiger.2014 Tredition Verlag Antwort 3 TKOriginal Newbie Beiträge: 7 Registriert: 24.6.2012 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 16:54   I should clarify i speak no German, working on it when I can but unfortunatly, ,I have only a few years here and i have a lot on my plate. Thanks guys for your responces. I left all my things in the US thinking i wouldnt want to brew in Germany. Come to find out, I miss the IPA's, Stouts, and non German styles. The only things I have are Brew kettle, MLT, and HLT. Everything else i will need to purchase, so i plan to go minimalist (and cheap) as much as possible. I am fortunate that I am exempt from VAT so that saves around 15% when shopping in stores, and i have an US postal address so Amazon is doable. Either i dont know where to look or Home brew stores are not as prevalent in Germany as in the US. I have been told about Stabilo which has a wein making section where i could get some equipment but i am always open to new ideas. I live about an hour outside Nurnberg but wont be home for a few months. Appreciate any help you can provide. My neighbors are tired of me talking trash and are demanding US style beer that is not BMC. TKO Antwort 4 ggansde Posting Freak Beiträge: 2175 Registriert: 9.11.2005 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 17:43   Zitat: Come to find out, I miss the IPA's, Stouts, and non German styles. Zitat: and are demanding US style beer Ein bisschen arrogant kommt es für mich schon rüber. VG, Markus Antwort 5 emjay2812 Posting Freak Beiträge: 1784 Registriert: 27.3.2005 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 17:45   How many beer liters of beer want your to brew? For the begininng (25L), the most of us use a "Einkochtopf", I don´t know the expression in english. It is a big pot, whith a electric heating. You can buy it for about 50 Euro in shops like Praktiker, Hela Baumarkt, toom baumarkt, hagebau, Hornbach, Obi. In supermarkets or ebay you will find big metal pots, where the beer can ferment. The rest (hops, malts, yeast etc.) you can buy in the internet. I prefer hopfen-und-mehr. My englisch is not perfect, I hope you will understand what I´m wiriting. ____________________ Immer wenn man denkt das Niveau ist schon im Keller, kommt ein Bagger und hebt noch 4 Etagen aus. (Oliver Kalkofe) Antwort 6 kvendlar Posting Freak Beiträge: 972 Registriert: 18.4.2012 Status: Offline erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 17:47   Zitat von TKOriginal, am 24.6.2012 um 16:54 Appreciate any help you can provide. My neighbors are tired of me talking trash and are demanding US style beer that is not BMC. I guess anyone around here is willing to help :-) Why dont you put a signature under your postings stating you're planning to get to learning German asap but are relatively new here. Ok, in order for the folks to swamp you with their hints, let's see what you have in mind: Does your brew kettle include the heating? (electric or gas?) How big is your batch size? Do you need/want pumps? Bottle or Keg Fermentation? Want/need a chiller or is cooling overnight acceptable to you? [Editiert am 24.6.2012 um 17:47 von kvendlar] Antwort 7 kvendlar Posting Freak Beiträge: 972 Registriert: 18.4.2012 Status: Offline erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 17:51   Zitat von ggansde, am 24.6.2012 um 17:43 Zitat: Come to find out, I miss the IPA's, Stouts, and non German styles. Zitat: and are demanding US style beer Ein bisschen arrogant kommt es für mich schon rüber. VG, Markus find ich nicht. Insbesondere bei zweiten solltest Du korrekt zitieren - und den Zusatz 'that is not BMC', vielleicht als Neugier der Nachbarn auf nicht BudMillerCoor interpretieren. Und nachdem ich ne Zeit in den Staaten war hätte ich locker 5 Euro für ne Flasche IPA gezahlt gab's halt nicht zu kaufen. Antwort 8 Doppelmeter Posting Freak Beiträge: 950 Registriert: 19.9.2009 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 17:58   Zitat von ggansde, am 24.6.2012 um 17:43 Zitat: Come to find out, I miss the IPA's, Stouts, and non German styles. Zitat: and are demanding US style beer Ein bisschen arrogant kommt es für mich schon rüber. VG, Markus Einfach schlucken.... und ned weiter darüber nachdenken Sieh eines seiner letzten Aussagen.....My neighbors are tired of me talking trash... Warte ab was passiert. ____________________ Am Wasser mag ich jeden Tropfen! Am liebsten mit viel Malz und Hopfen! "Ist auf meinem Mist gewachsen!" Antwort 9 ggansde Posting Freak Beiträge: 2175 Registriert: 9.11.2005 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 18:04   Sorry, ist ja schon fast ein threat-highjack von mir. Natürlich soll dem Kollegen geholfen werden. Dennoch find ich's merkwürdig, dass jemand der in DAS Bierland kommt, die hiesigen Biere ignorieren möchte. Ein handwerklich hergestelltes tradditionelles deutsches Bier stellt so einiges in den Schatten. Und ein gutes Bier wird es nicht nur dadurch, dass man große Mengen toller Hopfen hinein tut. VG, Markus Antwort 10 Doppelmeter Posting Freak Beiträge: 950 Registriert: 19.9.2009 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 18:12   Zitat von ggansde, am 24.6.2012 um 18:04 Sorry, ist ja schon fast ein threat-highjack von mir. Natürlich soll dem Kollegen geholfen werden. Dennoch find ich's merkwürdig, dass jemand der in DAS Bierland kommt, die hiesigen Biere ignorieren möchte. Ein handwerklich hergestelltes tradditionelles deutsches Bier stellt so einiges in den Schatten. Und ein gutes Bier wird es nicht nur dadurch, dass man große Mengen toller Hopfen hinein tut. VG, Markus Gib Ihm die Chance sich zu aklimatisieren und dann wart erst mal ab ob er dem Forum treu bleibt oder nachdem er alles hat wieder das weite sucht. Birk ist ein "Echter" der sich bemüht und ständig dazulernt und von Ihm wirst Du solche Sprüche nie hören. Also eine Chance hat jeder verdient oder also leben und leben lassen!!! ____________________ Am Wasser mag ich jeden Tropfen! Am liebsten mit viel Malz und Hopfen! "Ist auf meinem Mist gewachsen!" Antwort 11 TKOriginal Newbie Beiträge: 7 Registriert: 24.6.2012 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 20:01   Zitat: Ein bisschen arrogant kommt es für mich schon rüber. VG, Markus Well this started poorly, I'm sorry if I offended anyone else. I genieBen Deutsch Bier. The Bambergs Rauch Biers are by far my favorite. I have trips planned to tour Schnider and Kloster Kreuzberg. This is for another thread though! Zitat: Does your brew kettle include the heating? (Electric or gas?) How big is your batch size? Do you need / want pumps? Bottle or keg fermentation? Want / need a chiller or cooling overnight is acceptable to you? My kettles are all approx 38L and i intend to ferment approximatly 18L at a time. I will not use pumps, my system is gravity fed and heated with propane. I will bottle condition my bier. My greatest issue is fermentation. In the US i used Better Bottles and glass fermenters but i dont want to spend the money here. Perhaps buckets or I saw plastic cubes on a website? Emjay - I understand completly Thank you. Zitat: Gib Ihm die Chance sich zu aklimatisieren und dann wart erst mal ab ob er dem Forum treu bleibt oder nachdem er alles hat wieder das weite sucht. Danke' I wont post much unless i know i can add to the conversation. A lot can get lost in translation. I am a slave to Google Translate and rely on it to understand! ____________________ Ich bin neu in Deutschland. Ich versuche, Deutsch zu lernen, kann aber kaum bis fünf zählen. Vielen Dank für Ihre Geduld. Antwort 12 tazzyminator Posting Freak Beiträge: 1307 Registriert: 1.12.2010 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 20:21   I think ggansde has only misunderstood your sentence, so don´t worry, sometimes language makes worries were are none of them. Welcome to this forum, i know since i got contact to birk, that the american home brewers feel a bit lost in getting their stuff to brew. You will get any help as good as in usa in this forum, most of the folks here answer directly, so you will be sometimes surprised. The shops you have counted are some of the most used, you will get everything you need there, sometimes you have to write an email to ask for stuff they don´t have equipped. But be sure some like "hopfen und mehr" will make it possible to get what you want. For fermentation you can have a look at some DIY markets to get some there. "Bauhaus" has some seasonally, prices are ok too. If you like to have some 60 Liter bukets for fermentation, have a look at ebay.de, you will get some for 35 Euros each. So have a nice time in Germany, be sure you will get good contacts here and good luck with your brew. best Chris ____________________ Antwort 13 Uwe12 Moderator Beiträge: 4922 Registriert: 5.4.2005 Status: Offline erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 21:06   ...die Spaßbremse mal wieder: I don't know how's your status with the german customs ("Zoll"). Normally you have to register with them your status as a "home brewer" ("Hobbybrauer"), which includes 200 liters of beer per year being free of charges. But different customs offices in germany like different ways of registering every "sud". Daniel (Birk) is in the area of a quite rigid customs office, that require a sud to be registered quite early (about 1 week before mashing in, I think). I don't want to be pesky, just want to avoid possible problems for you with german customs. Uwe (my forname is mostly a tongue-breaker for english speaking persons...our busdriver in the australien holidays took the challenge and pronounced ist quite well in the end! ) [Editiert am 24.6.2012 um 21:11 von Uwe12] ____________________ Antwort 14 Birk Posting Freak Beiträge: 3313 Registriert: 19.10.2011 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 21:18   Yes they told me a minimum of 2 weeks before each brew day. To get past this problem I simply came up with a bunch of dates and infromed the customs office of those dates for each brewday. They do allow me to send emails so that is easy. I have however only heard back from them once and that was just after I registered. I have done all the communications via email and CC myself each time. I just went over 200 liters this weekend and so now I need to figure out how to process that. I know there are forms to fill out, however, I don't know exactly how that works. Good news is that I was offered help with that by another person on this forum. I figure it is always good to get a buddy to help you at first to make sure you do things right. The good news is that if you register now, you should be ok to brew in less than 3 weeks to a month as the registration goes by in just over a week in most cases. [Editiert am 24.6.2012 um 21:22 von Birk] ____________________ http://www.AmiHopfen.com Hopfen vom Ami, aus Amiland und anderswo Antwort 15 Schlupfer Posting Freak Beiträge: 1002 Registriert: 27.7.2011 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 21:22   Hi TKO, welcome. The title of your post made me smile. "Hilfe ein Amerikaner!" could be (mis)understood as "Help, an American!" Well, this is Google Michael ____________________ Don´t worry - Brew happy Antwort 16 Brauwolf Posting Freak Beiträge: 3548 Registriert: 26.2.2012 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 21:25   Zitat von TKOriginal, am 24.6.2012 um 20:01 My kettles are all approx 38L and i intend to ferment approximatly 18L at a time. I will not use pumps, my system is gravity fed and heated with propane. I will bottle condition my bier. My greatest issue is fermentation. In the US i used Better Bottles and glass fermenters but i dont want to spend the money here. Perhaps buckets or I saw plastic cubes on a website? Hi, the most common fermenting buckets as shown on the photo hold 32 liters (8 gal) and are perfect for 20 liter batches (5gal) with enough head room for Krausen click here for details In hardware shops in rural areas you may find wine making equipment during the season which is also useful for brewing. Cheers, Ruthard edit: link fixed [Editiert am 24.6.2012 um 21:48 von Brauwolf] ____________________ Mein Blog: Brew24.com Antwort 17 Biermann Posting Freak Beiträge: 1905 Registriert: 7.12.2006 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 21:36   Hello TKO, welcome to this great Beer Knowledge Hub (BKH). It takes a little time to understand how thinks work in Germany, but like everywhere else, you will get the benefit of doubt when you make a mistake, as long as you are humble and (sometimes) play this instrument, but it will not last forever and you will not have the right to claim not knowing after you where caught a couple of times. Germans are forgiving if it goes around Bier, as long as you don't openly offend the good old German Beer Law from somewhere in the 15th! We are proud of it even so most don't know it is relatively hollow by now. For supplies, just ask it as you already did and any other question, you can use English, it is one of the many beautiful facts of this forum, that we have members around the world. The main language is German, but I would not be surprised if answers can come in many languages if one would try. One hint: we have a great number of members in this forum, but I only see perhaps 150-300 active members and it sure feels appreciated if you stick a 'best regards, cheers etc.' and your first name under your text. All the best around here and have fun. Cheers, Jörg ____________________ Ich braue Hoppesäcker Ur-biere nach dem Hoppesäcker Reinheitsgebot von AD512 (Dokument ging leider verloren). Antwort 18 Hagen Posting Freak Beiträge: 3929 Registriert: 10.9.2004 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 21:50   Hi TKO, welcome to this forum! You told, you dont want to spent to much money for your brew equipment. Nevertheless this occassion may be interesting for you too. Weve started a centralized buying for Speidel Braumeister, a german brewing machine. For more infos look here: http://www.speidels-braumeister.de/Braumeister:_:21.html?la nguage=en&XTCsid=6rk192mbumb13tqr85lq2jrn95 We hope to reach a discount of 20%. This would be 1.170,10 € incl. VAT for the 20 l version. Thread of centralized buying you will find here: http://hobbybrauer.de/modules.php?name=eBoard&file=viewthre ad&fid=20&tid=13483&page=1&orderdate=ASC Have a good time here Hagen Antwort 19 kvendlar Posting Freak Beiträge: 972 Registriert: 18.4.2012 Status: Offline erstellt am: 24.6.2012 um 22:20   TKO, so if you have fermenter, lauter ton and even a hot water ton, then it seems you lack fermenting vessel only. 30L Hobbock buckets are a good option i guess. Also franconian hardware stores should offer equipment for making most - you should find fermenters in all sizes there, also airlocks, taps, ... Do you need other equiment for cleaning, measuring, etc? Maybe get a starter kit (or "starter set"). The slightly bigger ones include a 30L bucket with airlocks, cappers & caps, a bottle filler, some yeast, hops and extract (which you can still use for starters or just make a beer out of it when there's no time for mashing). On the other hand, buying everything seperate and ditching the ingredients will save some money probably. Many people over here use small 5L kegs instead of bottles. You can reuse those that you can buy in almost any supermarket - make sure you dont get the ones with a CO2 cartridge inside. Out if curiousity: what would be the first beer for you to brew? Let us know what you equipment you need! best, kvendlar Antwort 20 Waconia Posting Freak Beiträge: 3129 Registriert: 1.4.2012 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 25.6.2012 um 07:19   Zitat von Birk, am 24.6.2012 um 15:09 From one American to another welcome. Don't use google translate, just type in German how you know and you will be fine, most folks understand AND it is a good learning expierience. Darauf ein herzliches "Well welcome" Zitat: Close the Window, I'am frozen. ____________________ Bierinale - Festival der kreativen Braumanufakturen ZEBULON Braumanufaktur Bier mit Leib und Seele. Zertifiziertes Mitglied der "Worschtmarktbrauerbubenbieratenbartei" WBBBB. Antwort 21 unserbier Senior Member Beiträge: 365 Registriert: 19.10.2011 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 25.6.2012 um 07:36   Hi TKO, wellcome to this great forum and to Germany. Another good place to go shopping online is http://www.braupartner.de/shop/Fuer_Hobbybrauer.chtml http://www.brouwland.com/de/ http://www.candirect.de/ I guesse you will find there whatever you need. And like somebody before posted here ask in the forum before you buy something. Probably somebody knows cheaper prices or has some experience with the product. Have a good time in Germany Jan Antwort 22 TKOriginal Newbie Beiträge: 7 Registriert: 24.6.2012 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 25.6.2012 um 08:16   Zitat: "Help an American!" could be (mis) understood as "Help, an American!" HAHA I promise you I am more scared of you then anyone could be of me! Uwe- Thanks, I had been researching the taxs and notification It is something i want to do. Do most people register? How do people actually get caught? Is this a good reference? http://www.speidels-braumeister.de/Rechtliches:_:30.html?la nguage=en and would i send the letter to my stadt of Bayrn or county? Birk, I'll send you a PM about the customs place. I brewed illegally in Alabama (it is a felony there) but I will do it the right way in Germany...i understand it's at most a few Euros a year. Wolf - Exactly what i am looking for thank you. Hagan - I have kettles and i dont think my Frau will let spend that kind of money. I had to sign a cleaning contract just to brew. I will keep an eye out for other opportunities though. kvendlar - I love the keg idea. Are they just commercial beers like Pauliner and i just drink the beer and reuse? We just started geting those in the US but ours are not reusable. Is there a good reference or forum that talks about how to use the kegs? Do i need any special tools to fill them or open them? Like these? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/243/03kegsry2.jpg/sr=1 I am excited about the idea! First up, I have plans for a quick Brown ale, then oatmeal coffee stout and Blackened Imperial American Pale Ale which will both need to be conditioned to get me through the winter. Best! TKO [Editiert am 25.6.2012 um 08:45 von TKOriginal] ____________________ Ich bin neu in Deutschland. Ich versuche, Deutsch zu lernen, kann aber kaum bis fünf zählen. Vielen Dank für Ihre Geduld. Antwort 23 schnapsbrenner Posting Freak Beiträge: 1000 Registriert: 7.12.2011 Status: Offline Geschlecht: erstellt am: 25.6.2012 um 08:21   Hi Tod, I'm a Agent for Speidel, if you need any assistence, feel free to ask me! You can also write a Email info@simon-bremer.de Kindest regards Simon ____________________ Offizieller Partner von Speidel, Brouwland, Wyeast und CASTLE Malting, Weyermann, Fawcett White Labs mehr als 75 verschiedene Malzsorten. http://www.schnapsbrenner.eu Antwort 24

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